Hybrid Versus Electric Part 2

Some people have asked if they will save more money with reconditioned electric batteries over hybrid batteries.

At this point, I don’t know how much the battery pack comparison is. I’m pretty sure it’s similar, because you’re still dealing with 350 or 400-volt battery packs. I don’t think there’s going to be a substantial cost saving between hybrid versus electric, so the cost savings should be right there about the same. It is still 70-75 percent cheaper than replacing that battery. You’re saving the environment and saving money. I suggest that you repair your car instead of just throwing parts away.

Another question is whether electric vehicles have less power than hybrids.

It’s a funny phenomenon. An electric motor instantly gets full power. What I mean by that is when you step on the gas in a gasoline engine, the engine has got to kind of wind up or rev up to get to its sweet spot of power, so to speak. With an electric motor, as soon as you hit that accelerator, it’s on and ready to go. They feel like they accelerate very rapidly and they don’t have that power loss sensation. It’s a really cool feeling to hit that pedal and the car just launches.

People also wonder about long-distances and electric power.

Power can be defined two different ways: How fast you get up to speed, and when you’re moving along.

The Teslas can go 75 mph and even faster. Some of the other electrics are limited in their speed because of range issues. The smaller the battery pack, the battery technology, the battery cooling technology all play a role in range and acceleration. The harder you drive, the faster you go, the faster you deplete your energy source. But it’s the same exact thing as a gasoline engine. One is electricity, and the other one is gasoline.

There are gauges on electric vehicles that tell you range to empty, or how many miles you need to go before you need to recharge. What’s really cool is the worst thing you can do to a battery in an electric vehicle is run it down to zero volts — but the computers protect that from happening. They really keep the battery from getting overly damaged. If you were to run your battery all the way down, you don’t have to worry about damaging it. The computer is going to shut it off before that happens.

A stop at most recharging stations takes about 30 minutes. That’s a typical amount of time with the superchargers, and it’s longer without the supercharger. In other words, conventional charging actually takes longer. But that technology is changing.

Tesla did something amazing. They opened their patent for their supercharger and suggested that the manufacturers let whoever wanted to use it on their electric vehicles to feel free, and just charge a small fee to help charge the supercharger network. It’s kind of like an option on your car. If you get the supercharger option, that’s $2,000 that helps support the supercharger network.

So, you’re going to see more of that. As battery technology improves, we’re going to see lower charge times. We’re going to see longer ranges too. As the technology improves, cars will be able to go further. It won’t be uncommon to be able to go 350 or 450 miles on a single charge, which in most cases will get you to your destination.

The current range distance changes, because there are so many variables. For example, if you bought a Tesla, there are two or three battery pack options for different power ratings and ranges. When you buy the vehicle, they’ll tell you that at that time what works for you, and you’ll find it on our Website too…probably on the hybrid service page.

Hybrid Versus Electric Vehicle

What is the difference between an electric car and a hybrid vehicle?

An electric car is run on 100 percent electricity with no gasoline engine – no air filters, no oil filters, no engine oil, no engine. One hundred percent electric. The car gets recharged either in your home — you pull into your garage and plug your car into an outlet. Many places of employment now offer charging stations. A lot of hotels offer charging stations.

Tesla — probably one of the most famous electric cars in the last 100 years has what’s called superchargers, where their very high voltage, direct current charges the cars very rapidly in 30 minutes or less in most cases. You can get maybe an 80 or 90 percent charge, which is enough to drive across country. Tesla has done that a number of times. They’ve driven their cars cross-country with those superchargers.

You’ve got to think of things a little differently because people recognize gas stations.

We know what they look like when we’re driving down the road, and I can see my range to empty. I kind of get a feel that I need to get gas. With electric card, you just need to think of things differently.

With the smartphone technology and a lot of the Internet technology on cars now, it’s just a matter of typing in, “Where’s the next charging station?” You just have to think of things a little differently. Range anxiety is a big problem for a lot of people. They go, “I’m going to run out of electricity and then I won’t be able to go.” But that happens when they run out of gas too? They don’t think of that, because they’re so accustomed to being able to buy gas wherever they go.
We’re going to see more and more of electric vehicles that uses 100 percent electricity, and uses no gasoline — especially when people start to realize that 90 percent of their driving is probably 50 miles a day or less.

What do we need gasoline engines for if we’re just going back and forth to work or the grocery store? An electric car will do just fine, and that’s going to become more popular also. That’s saving the environment.

Are Hybrid Cars Less Powerful

Some hybrid vehicles are smaller, more economical, and less powerful, but there are hybrid vehicles – Mercedes Benz just came out with an electric hybrid S-class — and I promise that will have all the power you need.

Audi is using hybrid technology on their twin turbo engines. They’re going to have part of the electric battery pack propel the car and part of the electric battery pack electrically operate the turbo chargers, so I don’t think the idea of less powerful hybrids is going to apply anymore.

A lot of people are driving cars with hybrid technology and don’t even realize it until somebody points it out to them.

The cars are getting so good and feel so seamless that you’re not going to notice. Less power was probably the case a while ago, but you’re going to see that changing. As engine technologies continue to get better with turbo chargers, direct fuel injection and a lot of these other technologies, we’re going to have smaller and more efficient engines with the same power levels that we as Americans have grown to love.

Some people who prefer European vehicles might be less likely to want a hybrid because they drive it for performance and comfort, but they also drive them for the power that they have.

But there are more hybrid and more electric-only European cars available. Right now you can buy a BMW I3 — a 100 percent electric vehicle that is on the market. Right now you can buy a Mercedes-Benz B Class — a 100 percent electric vehicle, on the market for sale right now. Smart cars, which are made by Mercedes —100 percent electric are available on the market right now.

Between that and drivers’ desire to have better fuel economy, you’re going to see more and more hybrid technology come in. Mercedes and BMW owners are not going to sacrifice power for economy. They’re just not. If they were going to do that, they would buy the Toyotas or some of the other cars out there that are available with the hybrid power.

They’re going to want it and the manufacturers are going to deliver on all brands across the board.

Specialty Technicians Take The Fear Out Of Used Hybrid Ownership

A lot of people are afraid to buy a used hybrid car.

At my shop in Henderson, we’ll be able to tell you how good the car is, instead of just saying it starts, it runs, it operates – “Relax, it should be ok.” We can actually perform very specific tests to tell you the state of health on the electric motors and tell you “Yes, this motor is good,” or, “It’s only got 10 percent life left.” Nobody else can do that if they don’t have the equipment.

We are one of the only shops that have this proprietary technology — furthermore, it’s scientific.

Most repair shops can do a visual inspection.

They might be able to scan for what we call trouble codes — like if your check engine light has ever come on, it will store a code in the computer, and that will tell you whether or not there’s a current problem.

We can take that a step further.

We can test specifically the electric motor or the generator and not just tell you if it’s “go” or “no go.” We can tell you how good — which is an absolutely phenomenal peace of mind, because if it does not have a current problem and it has not failed, generally you wouldn’t know. If I can tell you that it’s got 90 percent life left or 80 percent life left, then you can purchase that car with confidence.

Here’s an example. Let’s say there’s a hybrid failure on your car. The warning light is on, it doesn’t drive. If you tow it to the dealer they’re going to hook their scanner up to the same ones we have access to. The scanner will say bad: electric motor – replace transmission.

Here at Frank’s, we’re going to be able to take that transmission out, take it apart, replace just the bad electric motor and not only save you thousands of dollars on the battery, but save you thousands of dollars on unneeded repairs because this is a new technology.

These are things that are unknown to the general consumer, and it just puts all those fears aside. So we’ll be able to tell you the state of health on the vehicle, and do those specific repairs to save you a lot of money.

Do Hybrid Vehicles Impact The Environment

I think the overall impact of hybrid vehicles on the environment is favorable.

Just think about the fewer brake pads that wear out. So that means there are less brake pads being thrown away in the trash, and less gasoline being used.

To me personally, using the least amount of gasoline – if we’re going to continue to buy our gas overseas, we need to get off it. We need to stop using it. Now — using electric and electric hybrid technology — is the best way to do it.

Some people may wonder about the amount of batteries now and how to dispose of them. So let’s separate what kind of batteries we have.

Your conventional car has a lead-acid or absorb-glass battery with primarily lead components in it. That’s probably the number one, best recycled item we have. I think that’s because consumers don’t generally get to just throw away their batteries like they do their aluminum cans and bottles. Almost every single battery supplier will charge you a small fee when you buy it in order to get that old battery back. If it’s $10 or $15, you’re going to bring that old battery back. That’s what keeps those batteries in the recycling phase.

The new batteries on the hybrid cars are either nickel-metal hydride or lithium. What are we going to do with those batteries? That’s why we aligned ourselves with the hybrid shop, so we can prevent those batteries from being replaced and now try to figure out what to do with them.

Our goal is to help keep old batteries out of the landfill by refurbishing and conditioning these batteries on a regular basis. I’m sure the technology will come where they start to recycle these batteries but until then we see no reason to just replace it when it can be repaired. I think that is going to help the environment the most.

Not everyone has this kind of proprietary technology specifically for hybrids.

If you are in the Henderson or Las Vegas area, come see us. If you happen to be reading our blog and you are out of town, you can go to www.thehybridshop.com and see the list of the only shops that have this proprietary technology.

The engineer who designed this was involved with a major manufacturer in electric car programming in the 90s. Their electric hybrid cars very recently came out. It was his goal to see technicians get trained on how to service these cars without just going to a dealership and having a dealer put their scanner on it and say, “It’s good or no good.”

Part of the process of not only checking the batteries is the state of health for the electric motor, the state of health for the generator, and the state of health for various components in the hybrid system.

So the issue is that technicians are not just being trained on the batteries, they’re being trained on the entire system so that we can keep these hybrid cars on the road longer and trouble free and keep these older parts out of landfills.


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Hello Las Vegas and Henderson auto owners! Let’s talk about alignment. One of the most important parts of preventive maintenance for your vehicle is keeping the wheels in alignment. Poor alignment causes your tires to wear unevenly, which can significantly reduce their lifespan. This means you will have to replace them more often, which can be costly in Las Vegas and Henderson.

It can even damage your suspension system, which is a significant repair. But even more importantly, uneven tread wear can lead to blowouts on the road, a dangerous and potentially deadly safety risk for Las Vegas and Henderson motorists and their passengers.

It may not take an accident or bad driving habits to “knock” your tires out of alignment. Tires can go out of alignment with just everyday Nevada driving. Las Vegas and Henderson road hazards, pot holes, uneven or gravel roads, even the bumps and bounces of normal Las Vegas freeways and surface streets can gradually put your Mercedes-Benz tires out of alignment.

So it’s good auto advice to have your Mercedes-Benz’s alignment inspected periodically. Your vehicle’s owner’s manual will have recommendations on how often you should get an alignment check: usually every year or two. But if you think your Mercedes-Benz tires might be out of alignment, you should take your Mercedes-Benz into Frank’s European Service now.

When you take your Mercedes-Benz in for an alignment in Las Vegas and Henderson, your professional Frank’s European Service service specialist will start by inspecting the steering and suspension systems. If something is broken or damaged there, it will need to be repaired in order to get good alignment of the wheels.

If all looks good in the steering and suspension departments, the Mercedes-Benz will then be put on an alignment rack where an initial alignment reading is taken. The wheels can then be aligned to the auto maker’s specifications. The ideal alignment for any vehicle is set by its engineers and may vary from vehicle to vehicle.

There are three types of critical adjustments that may have to be made to correctly align a vehicle’s tires. The first is called “toe.” This refers to tires that are out of alignment because they point inward or outward at the front of the tire. Think of a person who is pigeon-toed or splay-footed, and you get the idea.

The second adjustment is the camber. This adjustment affects the angle at which the tires meet the road. Think of a solid building in contrast to the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

The last adjustment is the castor. This adjustment measures the angle of the tire in relation to the front axles. So, a piece of auto advice that just might be good for life as well: keep everything in alignment, and you’ll be able to steer where you want to go in Las Vegas. Drive safely.

How Are Hybrid Batteries Different When They Die?

It used to be the case when a car battery died, that people would wonder if it was the battery or actually the alternator and the way to check was that if you could get it started and driving the rule of thumb was, “If it’s the battery, you’ll still be ok. If it’s the alternator, it’s not.” In a standard engine, once the vehicle is going, the battery is no longer doing anything.

Let’s say you jump-started your regular vehicle and were able to continue to drive it without shutting it off — you kind of knew the alternator was working and providing enough electricity for the vehicle to operate.

Of all of the electronics on today’s vehicles – a good battery is very critical.

It’s critical to the point where a bad battery could cause systems to shut down. Manufacturers have programmed certain systems to shut down — like your radio. Your air conditioning may go to a lower setting, a low blow – it may not shut off, but it may go to a low blow — and some other conveniences may be taken offline, so to speak.

So the battery has become more and more important. We’ve actually seen a battery good enough to start a vehicle and have a voltage problem. It was driving but it caused shifting problems because of the electronics in the transmission. All these computers have a very specific voltage threshold. They don’t like going underneath that. They get all crazy.

If the battery on a hybrid car dies, it’s an entirely different story altogether.

It’s very different. You have to be very careful. This is where the owner’s manual is critical. You have to be very careful when you’re trying to jumpstart a hybrid battery because there are so many electronics and you don’t want to blow something up by not hooking it up correctly. That could happen and it could result in a no-start. You need that system battery to turn all the systems on so the computers know what to do with the traction battery and the hybrid motors on.

My advice when it comes to jump-starting a hybrid is: DON’T.  Really, honestly, don’t take the chance. Don’t put yourself at risk. Again, these are very high voltage vehicles and even though gasoline is extremely dangerous, the cars are relatively safe to drive.

Just don’t do it. Read your hybrid owner’s manual.

How Do Hybrid Cars Recharge

There are two electric motors inside the transmission of most vehicles.

One is an actual generator that generates electricity to run the battery. The other one is the actual electric motor that helps propel the car. Say you have an electric fan at your house and you turned the switch to “on” and the fan operates — it’s the same principle. You put electricity into the electric motor and the motor turns. Now that motor is connected to the vehicle, so it propels the vehicle.

For anyone who’s ever gone camping or has had a motor home — you have those generators that start up and generate electricity to operate your motor home when you’re “off the grid,” so to speak. That’s no different than the generator in a hybrid transmission. So the computer switches between the two, depending on the needs and it either recharges the battery or it propels the vehicle.

Hybrid vehicles generally have two batteries.

One we call the traction battery and that’s the one that provides traction and propulsion and movement of the car. That’s usually your high voltage battery. The other battery is your system battery. That’s the one that provides the voltage for the car to turn on when you turn the key to the “on” position. Your lights operate off of that. Your radio and the normal 12-volt systems operate off that system battery.

There’s also a component in the hybrid vehicles called an inverter. What it does is take that high voltage from the battery pack and maintains the charge on the 12-volt battery. So you have that generator generating that high voltage to charge that battery pack for your traction. That kind of wicks off the lower voltage to keep the systems battery charged.

Different things can happen on a hybrid system that you normally wouldn’t expect or would find on a conventional car.

If the traction battery happens to go dead, the car may not operate at all. In other words you think. “Oh, I should be able to start it up and go.” If there’s a problem with the traction battery, it could very well allow you not to operate it at all.

ALS No Ice bucket challenge at Frank’s European Service

Hi, Frank here.

You may have noticed celebrities, friends and many others participating in the ice bucket challenge. It has really consumed the internet and while it’s for a good cause, I believe there are other ways to give back. Many people think water shortage is a problem outside of our country but the truth is that many states within our own country, like California and right here in Nevada (just look at Lake Mead) experience water shortage.

Alternatives like donating or the rice bucket challenge (a new twist on the ice bucket challenge) have been suggested. I would like to encourage donating to a local charity here in Las Vegas as an alternative to using a valuable resource like water.

Charities I would like to recommend are:

YWAM Las Vegas

Women’s Resource Medical Center

Safe Nest

The Southern Nevada Lymphoma Society

When you donate $40.00 or more to one of these local Las Vegas charities, you are eligible for a free oil change at Frank’s European Service. Simply give us a call to schedule your appointment and show proof of your donation or make the donation at one of our locations.

If you don’t need an oil change right now, don’t worry, you can make a donation now and still get this great offer later!

If you have any questions, feel free to email feedback@frankseuropeanservice.com.

Frank Scandura





Why Are Hybrid Cars More Efficient

What you can do now with a vehicle to make it an efficient hybrid is you can take a smaller, less powerful gasoline engine and combine it with an electric motor to propel the car.

If you’ve ever been in a parking lot, you may have seen a hybrid — maybe a Prius or something like that come by — that’s absolutely silent. That’s when it’s running on electric only. So, if you don’t need to use the gasoline engine, then you’re not using any gasoline at all. So by making a smaller, less powerful engine coupled with an electric motor, you’re going to use less gasoline. That’s how you get those higher fuel ratings.

However, if you’re going 50 miles an hour down a freeway, it may use nearly as much gas as a regular gasoline engine. It really all depends on the state of charge on the power plant, because that electric motor is going to come into play. Are you charging it? I would say it does not use as much fuel as the standard gasoline car, but anybody who checks the fuel mileage ratings of a hybrid will see that the city mileage is substantially higher than freeway mileage. That’s because you need more power on the freeway to maintain your speed. In the city you get to use more electric-only power, which means that you use less than a gasoline-only car.

Normally when you check the fuel mileage sticker on a new car, the city mileage will be substantially lower than the freeway mileage because of the power needed – stop and go, idling, wastes a lot of fuel. That’s where the hybrids shine because you don’t have the gasoline engine running in any of those situations — especially at idling. Most of the time the engine will be completely off  when you’re idling, and you’ll be running on electric only, not using gasoline.

Now there are also a large number of cars on the road today that have what’s called Start-Stop technology. We call that a “mild hybrid.” What that means is every single time you come up at a traffic light, the engine shuts off. As soon as you take your foot off the brake it instantly starts again. That takes a similar but smaller lithium battery pack to operate that system. So, that saves a lot of fuel too — in some cases up to 20 percent fuel savings in city driving with this particular type of hybrid.